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  Reflections on vintage karting growth in the last few years.
Posted by: David Luciani - 11-08-2019, 11:50 PM - Forum: General - Replies (10)

hi guys,
been a while since i've posted.
 i've been distracted.


Rolleyes  Shy  Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin  Shy Rolleyes

As many of you know, for deeply personal reasons i've been unable to attend the events these last two seasons.
I have been hearing small accounts of what's been happening and dearly wished i could be part of it all .
From every person i talked with i heard event attendance is up.
It seemed to indicate Vintage Karting had turned a corner and is growing.

I've monitored the facebook posts as time allowed , read posts here atother sites and generally kept in the loop.
 that's best i could do considering but from what i saw i was sure vintage karting is growing.
Today, I just opened my new , VKA first turn magazine , and read the articles.
As with the issues before i read with great interest about how many people attended.

With this magazine in hand and the season ended i can safely say it's absolutely true.

The numbers are up , the events were all fun and reported to be reasonably safe considering we are driving race machines.
The food , as usual was great, the guys helped each other to keep running and newbes got sold on the sport.
There was mostly sunshine and whole families or groups of friends had a blast.

Bench racing , as usual was really fast and memories of past races faster.
People got sore butts, ran equipment to it's best potential and a few won prizes for awesome restorations.
Others got bragging rights from the exhibition demonstrations (races???) and EVERYONE  had fun.

Back in the day, ( a short fifteen to twenty years ago) we talked about this possibility of growth but few believed we'd even get consistent track time.
The tracks were totally non interested in us running obsolete , dangerous equipment.
so we ran in parking lots and the street if we could find one not used much.
insurance was an issue and hard to secure.
we had to beg tracks,  tell tall tales about attendance numbers and accept whatever access was offered.

Plus the parts were hard to find.
Back then , were more concerned about "soft part" replacements than building the fastest motor.
Things like pistons , tires ,seals and gaskets were getting old tired and really hard to find.
We were experts at running down leads swap meet sweeps and craigslist/ebay as they came into being.

We had endless discussions about how to reman some things, where to get seals ect ect.
we created modern exchange tables matching old to new parts so we could replace 50 year old seals and bearing.

Occasionally we had an event and were happy if 20-30 guys showed up , fifty was huge.
We all helped each other and established a habit of helping newbes that continues to this day.
It was hard but fun and we constantly expected "the fad" to end but we were to stupid to quit
We kept going loving the karts everyone forgot and kept finding more "lost" stuff.

Somewhere along the line , dedicated people started filling the holes in our supplies.

We had pickers who literally devoted their lives to finding and selling us those hard to find things.
It's a rare picker/seller of these parts that made much money.
 their time could've been used to make alot more cash at about anything else.
These pickers got a ration of spew from us cheap guys but they did what others couldn't.
they found parts sold them to us and kept us running.
and we kept growing
There were other guys who worked tirelessly to grow and promote clubs , to expand knowledge , invent sensible rules and produce order at the track.
Other guys who made and manufactured new parts more often losing money or barely breaking even.
and we kept growing
Promoters who tirelessly begged tracks for access , arranged events and more often then not lost money every time they hosted an event.
and we kept growing
Then we got old manufacturers to reproduce some things.
We got a tire guy who invested a silly amount of time and money to recreate the obsolete tires we need.
and we kept growing
Rules were added changed and new classes allowed.
we even ahem?? decided that vintage four stroke vintage karts were cool too. Rolleyes
and we kept growing

The amount of crazy arguments and bickering we had and have was epic at times.
But throughout it all we kept going loving the karts the fun the people we met.

personally i never have had more fun than when i'm at a vintage karting event.
at least g-rated fun!!

and we kept  right on growing
having fun
making friends 
generally having a blast

Now , it's paid off.

In the last couple of years
Events have been getting consistently higher attendance numbers with many tracks breaking 100 entries. 
Promoters are making enough to break even or show modest returns.
Tracks are contacting the clubs asking how to host events and more people than ever are restoring future entries.
Pickers still aren't getting rich and the guys doing repops are still insane to do it.
but i love that they are there helping grow a sport i love.


In the last several years karting magazines have noticed us and have had many articles about vintage karting. 
At first we were viewed as oddities running insanely old,creaky, obsolete machines.
But like cars and motorcycles in the past guys who also loved the old karts heard about us and started showing up.

The modern karting guys all seemed a little bit sceptical about us at first.
But now see a fast growing segment of Karting.
Some even claim it's the fastest growing segment in all of karting.
Me , i have no idea if that's true but the idea does please me and scare me all at once.

Others i see coming in to enjoy the fun are:

  • Modern karters are tired of endless rule changes and constantly evolving "stock" classes.As a result some are moving over to  vintage karting.
  • Then there's guys who loved the older karts but lost interest when things changed. now they can run again
  • Car guys who want more than just static displays maybe even a tiny bit of risky behavior actually driving. and vintage karting is fun and an active sport if you want it to be.
  • People who just miss the fun and simpler times we had "back then" . and as we mostly never grew up they finds it at our events.
  • Or maybe a guy with a kid looking for a hands on hobby. and what better place to learn and spend time than with a simple machine with simple motors that can be immensely complicated to fix, for no good reason other than greemilins!!
There's articles showing up in big car magazines and car guys are noticing the noise we're making.
There's even been a few news segments done on us.

It's all very exciting as we did want vintage to grow.
I truely hope it continues to be fun. i suspect it will as we seem to attract guys like us.
experienced guys that'll spend all day getting a newbe running
guys who will lend tools, parts and give advise to anyone needing it at an event.
and especially,
the guys in the back round , working hard to make it all happen, often with little praise.
Club officers, promoters,repop guys and the pickers all working together to build the sport.
they do it as we all do because we love the sport.
i hope that never changes
D Cool

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  Insurance coverage
Posted by: Chuck Lipka - 11-08-2019, 09:56 PM - Forum: General - Replies (2)

A disclaimer......I'm NOT an insurance agent, representative, or shill.     I AM a vintage drag racer and at times, a vintage karter.

As some of you know, my vintage drag stuff is part and parcel for my group......Geezer Gassers.   For the last several
years, Hagerty has been a partial sponsor ($$$) for that operation.  Point in fact, MY personal drag race program is insured with them.  They are underwriting vintage motorcycles, roundy round cars, even old timey farm tractors.

For significantly less than 10% of my total agreed to value/replacements, I'm covered.   This includes transport to/from an event, at home in the driveway, at any repair facility for the racer, trailer, etc. In the pits (paddock in their terms), in the staging lanes (preliminary get ready area) and on the return road AFTER a pass.   THE ONLY TIME I'M NOT COVERED IS ON THE TRACK SURFACE, DURING ACTIVE COMPETITION.  AND, they DO NOT write personal liability
coverage......don't run into/over someone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As an aside, they settled a loss claim with me within 26 days of the original incident......an engine compartment fire in the pits, AFTER a full on pass.....NO muss, no fuss.  And they allowed me to be the "labor" source for the repairs.

If you're interested, contact MARK BRIGGS....motorsports insurance @ Hagerty.   mbriggs@hagerty.com   I have a direct cell number, but I'm not allowed to put it out on the public domain.

I DON'T know specifics and can't promise he'll cover you, but it's worth a call.........mention my name.



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  hi guys membership stuff from admin.
Posted by: David Luciani - 11-08-2019, 09:37 PM - Forum: General - No Replies

good evening everyone.
been a while since i've been posting personal trials are still distracting me.

anyway here we go again with a simple request. please use YOUR REAL NAME when you register.
we only allow full posting membership to those who follow this simple rule.

to those who don't follow this simple rule we add you as non posting members .
typically i send you an email requesting a real name.
so real names = full membership.

hope you all get this and follow directions.
d Cool

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  Cheetah seat replacement
Posted by: ted johnson - 11-08-2019, 08:08 AM - Forum: General - Replies (2)

Here's a weird question: I have one of the late Carl Weakley's Margay Cheetah repop seats on my Photon. It doesn,t give a lot of lateral support. I'd like to replace it with a better, but still vintage style seat, and I don't want to have to strip the kart and re-powder coat it. If I can get the pic to attach, here's a shot of the kart under construction with the Cheetah seat You can look close and see the two conical washers at the front of the seat. The back attaches to the struts with extreme swivel Heim joints. Like I say, I'd like more support without doing more than maybe bending the vertical supports a little and maybe re-angling the two front supports. I have a normal sized butt. Thanks, guys. Ted

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  For Sale Chaparral Seat-SOLD
Posted by: Scott Kneisel - 11-07-2019, 02:33 PM - Forum: For Sale/Wanted - No Replies

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For sale is a decent original wide pleat Chaparral factory seat.
Seat is still soft and flexible but has a few defects from wear as can be seen in the photos. The front underside of the side pads are worn thru where they rub on the frame bolts and one seam on the top rear of one of the side rails has seperated.
Considering it's age it is pretty darn nice.
Includes the main bottom piece with side pads, A very nice "Jewel" pad and 2ea back sections with original snaps.
The seat is certainly usable as is or could be repaired if you so choose.
I am Asking $75.
Shipping will be Fedex...package weighs 12# so cost would be around $20 to Florida, $15 to the mid west and $30 to the west coast.
PM or email or call at 585-398-3526 if interested.

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  WTB WB580 Parts
Posted by: Michael Jarosik - 10-28-2019, 09:17 PM - Forum: For Sale/Wanted - No Replies

Still looking for West Bend 580 Aluminum Recoil Housings. 

In addition to the housing's I'm also looking for the following WB580 items: 

Crank for a R/H engine (left hand threads). 
Shroud (L/H) with wide recoil housing bolt pattern.

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  ted Furtch
Posted by: ted johnson - 10-25-2019, 06:43 PM - Forum: General - No Replies

To Ted Furtch, glad Grumpy Dave Wink and/or Brian Santee got your registration fixed. You'll enjoy these guys. There's a heck of a lot of info here. Congrats on buying the 820. It'll go nicely on your Lancer. I have the two chain guard mount holes still to tap on your mount side plate, and she'll be ready. I'll be happy to help as and when I may. Ted

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  WTB WB Aluminum Recoil Housing
Posted by: Michael Jarosik - 10-21-2019, 09:38 PM - Forum: For Sale/Wanted - Replies (1)

Looking for a West Bend 580 aluminum recoil housing, must be the aluminum version with the small bolt pattern.



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  Site difficulties?
Posted by: ted johnson - 10-12-2019, 11:55 AM - Forum: General - Replies (4)

One of my friends here in AZ is getting a message that the site's security certificate has expired. It concerns him, so I thought I'd ask to see if anyone else is getting that message. I am not, but that isn't to say that someone else may not be getting it. Thanks. Ted Johnson

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  Piston ID
Posted by: Bob Alexander - 10-10-2019, 04:59 PM - Forum: General - Replies (1)

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I have this piston to ID.  It is a Wiseco thin ring piston 2.08" or 53mm Dia. and is 1.9" or 48mm tall.  It uses a similar pin and circlip to a West Bend piston.  The pin is .085" down from the top.  It has been setting for quite some time and I would like to ID this item.

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